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hardparade) wrote2011-10-29 11:56 pm
hardparade) wrote2011-10-29 11:56 pm
there's only so much you can miss / before we both collide
I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY?
Or, a really ridiculous idea.
Either way, it was brought about by this interview with The Kills. They're asked how they can be so sexual even though they split up. (I love it when they're asked if they're a couple and stuff, it's so interesting to analyse their reactions.) Anyway, Jamie's like "We were never lovers" and the interviewer is like "Never?" and they're both like "Mm-mm, never" and then there's a pause, and Jamie goes "So...that's why." And then Alison cracks up and there's awkward laughter all round. (If you just want to watch that bit, there are little markers you can hover over to see which question is asked at each timestamp.)
This kind of reveals something about how Jamie sees the two of them and their sexuality, right? ...Right?
Because, like, okay. Jamie is stating that they can be sexual together because they have never been lovers. WHICH IS AN ODD THING TO SAY. Because if they had, at one point, been lovers, they could have been sexual together back then, surely? It's like he believes that if they DID become lovers, they wouldn't be able to be sexual onstage anymore—and like, maybe not even just if they became lovers and then split up, but full stop. Like he believes the only reason he's able to behave that way with Alison is because they've never been sexual irl. Which goes a little extra way towards explaining his resistance to being with her—like, he loves the onstage sexuality so much, he's afraid of losing that. It might not work in real life, so he's not going to risk throwing what they DO have away, if that makes sense?
So anyway I was thinking through all of that for a little while and trying to make sense of Jamie's weird, denial-addled brain, and I knew I was missing something else that the quote implies, and then it just HIT ME and I was like....woaaaah hold up.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER SEXUAL ONSTAGE. And if my ridiculous dissection of Jamie's words is correct—doesn't that sort of imply that they are or have been lovers?
It's sort of like—man, this is a dumb example but it's all I can think of, you know in Friends when Chandler's dating Kathy? Who I still can't believe was played by Paget Brewster, but anyway—she's an actress, and she has a sex scene in this play she's doing, and Chandler's all freaked out, but Joey says it's fine because as long as there's passion onstage, they're not doing it in real life. And he warns him that as soon as the spark disappears onstage, that means it's transferred over and they're probably doing it for real. Which does make legitimate sense as a theory. (Although I might have bits of it wrong, it's been a long time since I saw the episode because STUPID E4 STOPPED SHOWING FRIENDS.)
Idk, idk, it doesn't make sense 100% for The Kills because that's actually a fairly recent interview, so the sexual tension onstage had already disappeared, and obviously Jamie's been with Kate all this time—but I just literally NEVER CONSIDERED this side of things. I always figured that the lack of sexual tension onstage meant something NEGATIVE about their real life relationship, but how fascinating would it be if it actually meant they were having sex for real now? Or, at the very least, that they did it ONCE and then decided it was a mistake, and the only thing it ruined was their dynamic onstage?
I guess it would be like—all the stuff onstage came from the fact that there was tension between them and all this desperate desire to be sexual with each other and that was the only way they could be, and if they started actually having sex there wouldn't be any mystery to it anymore and they wouldn't NEED the stage stuff. OR, suddenly they're much more aware of the stage dynamic than they used to be—like before, it didn't matter if people thought they were fucking because they weren't, but now they ARE and it has to be kept a secret.
Does this make sense to anyone but me? I am probably just grasping at straws because I'm just so heartbroken about the way they act onstage now. I mean, a lot of the time Jamie even angles his microphone so he's singing away from Alison in a way that just seems so deliberate. It's not like they never ever look at each other or touch each other, but it's SO much less than it used to be, and I don't understand why no one else seems to be noticing this stuff. Even though it would probably be HORRIBLY awkward, I just wish one interviewer would be like "yo guys, what happened to all that pseudo-sex you used to have?"
And I mean, it goes without saying that I want fic. It's ridiculous how many Kills/Dead Weather related ideas I have right now, but this is definitely being added to a list.
I got really excited when I saw that they'd started playing 'Last Day of Magic' again, because that's one of the main ones they always used to get intense about, but I mean, compare this performance from yesterday with this one from 2008. At 2:18 Alison approaches Jamie and he literally like, darts away from her. IT MAKES ME WANT TO CRY. AND THAT'S JUST ONE TINY EXAMPLE.
The rest of the interview I linked to up top is pretty cute/interesting by the way—they joke around a bit and are adorable, but I also get a vibe like they're not quite on the same wavelength with the questions. Plus there's the bit where Jamie goes on and on about things crumbling and decaying, and how good it is when things come to an end and rot (wtf, Jamie?), and then there's a long pause and the interviewer wants Alison's opinion and she's like *over-the-top smile* "...I think he answered it pretty well."
:'(
Anyway, I'll leave you with a picture, for your time:
I can't even really go 'aww' at this kind of thing anymore, it just makes me want to hit things.
They really do drive me crazy sometimes. MAKE SENSE.
Or, a really ridiculous idea.
Either way, it was brought about by this interview with The Kills. They're asked how they can be so sexual even though they split up. (I love it when they're asked if they're a couple and stuff, it's so interesting to analyse their reactions.) Anyway, Jamie's like "We were never lovers" and the interviewer is like "Never?" and they're both like "Mm-mm, never" and then there's a pause, and Jamie goes "So...that's why." And then Alison cracks up and there's awkward laughter all round. (If you just want to watch that bit, there are little markers you can hover over to see which question is asked at each timestamp.)
This kind of reveals something about how Jamie sees the two of them and their sexuality, right? ...Right?
Because, like, okay. Jamie is stating that they can be sexual together because they have never been lovers. WHICH IS AN ODD THING TO SAY. Because if they had, at one point, been lovers, they could have been sexual together back then, surely? It's like he believes that if they DID become lovers, they wouldn't be able to be sexual onstage anymore—and like, maybe not even just if they became lovers and then split up, but full stop. Like he believes the only reason he's able to behave that way with Alison is because they've never been sexual irl. Which goes a little extra way towards explaining his resistance to being with her—like, he loves the onstage sexuality so much, he's afraid of losing that. It might not work in real life, so he's not going to risk throwing what they DO have away, if that makes sense?
So anyway I was thinking through all of that for a little while and trying to make sense of Jamie's weird, denial-addled brain, and I knew I was missing something else that the quote implies, and then it just HIT ME and I was like....woaaaah hold up.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER SEXUAL ONSTAGE. And if my ridiculous dissection of Jamie's words is correct—doesn't that sort of imply that they are or have been lovers?
It's sort of like—man, this is a dumb example but it's all I can think of, you know in Friends when Chandler's dating Kathy? Who I still can't believe was played by Paget Brewster, but anyway—she's an actress, and she has a sex scene in this play she's doing, and Chandler's all freaked out, but Joey says it's fine because as long as there's passion onstage, they're not doing it in real life. And he warns him that as soon as the spark disappears onstage, that means it's transferred over and they're probably doing it for real. Which does make legitimate sense as a theory. (Although I might have bits of it wrong, it's been a long time since I saw the episode because STUPID E4 STOPPED SHOWING FRIENDS.)
Idk, idk, it doesn't make sense 100% for The Kills because that's actually a fairly recent interview, so the sexual tension onstage had already disappeared, and obviously Jamie's been with Kate all this time—but I just literally NEVER CONSIDERED this side of things. I always figured that the lack of sexual tension onstage meant something NEGATIVE about their real life relationship, but how fascinating would it be if it actually meant they were having sex for real now? Or, at the very least, that they did it ONCE and then decided it was a mistake, and the only thing it ruined was their dynamic onstage?
I guess it would be like—all the stuff onstage came from the fact that there was tension between them and all this desperate desire to be sexual with each other and that was the only way they could be, and if they started actually having sex there wouldn't be any mystery to it anymore and they wouldn't NEED the stage stuff. OR, suddenly they're much more aware of the stage dynamic than they used to be—like before, it didn't matter if people thought they were fucking because they weren't, but now they ARE and it has to be kept a secret.
Does this make sense to anyone but me? I am probably just grasping at straws because I'm just so heartbroken about the way they act onstage now. I mean, a lot of the time Jamie even angles his microphone so he's singing away from Alison in a way that just seems so deliberate. It's not like they never ever look at each other or touch each other, but it's SO much less than it used to be, and I don't understand why no one else seems to be noticing this stuff. Even though it would probably be HORRIBLY awkward, I just wish one interviewer would be like "yo guys, what happened to all that pseudo-sex you used to have?"
And I mean, it goes without saying that I want fic. It's ridiculous how many Kills/Dead Weather related ideas I have right now, but this is definitely being added to a list.
I got really excited when I saw that they'd started playing 'Last Day of Magic' again, because that's one of the main ones they always used to get intense about, but I mean, compare this performance from yesterday with this one from 2008. At 2:18 Alison approaches Jamie and he literally like, darts away from her. IT MAKES ME WANT TO CRY. AND THAT'S JUST ONE TINY EXAMPLE.
The rest of the interview I linked to up top is pretty cute/interesting by the way—they joke around a bit and are adorable, but I also get a vibe like they're not quite on the same wavelength with the questions. Plus there's the bit where Jamie goes on and on about things crumbling and decaying, and how good it is when things come to an end and rot (wtf, Jamie?), and then there's a long pause and the interviewer wants Alison's opinion and she's like *over-the-top smile* "...I think he answered it pretty well."
:'(
Anyway, I'll leave you with a picture, for your time:
I can't even really go 'aww' at this kind of thing anymore, it just makes me want to hit things.
They really do drive me crazy sometimes. MAKE SENSE.
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Right. *attempts to contain self* You're so lucky you got to see The Dead Weather! Especially if they don't tour again or the sexual tension disappears completely.
SRSLY WHAT IS THEIR PROBLEM. I mean, okay, we've analysed what their problems are, but STILL. She is so incredible and it's not like they don't see that, so I just don't understand. Especially with Jack, to be honest. Obviously it was an issue when he was married, but otherwise? GAH it's so weird. (Although I do not know how I'd feel if they started dating, that would probably be too much for me, like - the actual confirmation of it, I can't see it. I guess I like them angstier.) And yeah, it does seem like this is what Alison wants, which is weird, but then, she is a masochist. XD
Yeah, the whole thing with her offloading to him a little bit but being careful because she knows it's hard for him - that's what I imagine too. And it's so interesting that it's coming out in the songs.
I definitely think Jack could've played a big part in the way their stage dynamic has changed. I think Jamie's jealousy is a much bigger deal than he'll ever admit and just seeing the way Alison behaved with Jack onstage was hard for him, so for him to know that something came of it...it's so much worse, too, because it's not like Jack is just some random guy - Jack is in SUCH a similar position to Jamie, and was performing beside Alison every night and getting all sexual tension-y like Jamie did, and fighting against it (for different reasons, but still). So for Jamie to know that Jack gave in, it's almost like Jack got there first, and it would feel like...I don't want to say that Alison would be like, tainted, but he would feel like Alison was already fulfilling a very similar kind of relationship now and that he might have missed his chance. Assuming nothing happened between Jamie and Alison in the past. Lol, this is so confusing with all the different possible scenarios.
Oooh I can also see Jamie getting really pissed about Alison and Jack's affair, and kind of drunkenly yelling at Jack about it, and Jack being like "You could just admit you're jealous, you know. It'd be a lot easier." And saying stuff about how this is all just because he regrets not taking the same chance that Jack did, etc etc. Oh god, and in any threesome situation, Alison would be SO torn between the two of them. I also sort of love the idea of like, a heated kiss happening while Jack and Jamie are fighting, and Jamie wanting to sort of sleep with Alison THROUGH Jack if that makes sense. Like experience what the two of them experienced together, because he can't do it any other way.
♥♥♥ Thank youuuuu. I'm so glad you liked it so much, seriously - I was feeling pretty doubtful by the end, like "what even IS this?" so that means a lot!!
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I know, augh! And they've just released the video for Baby Says, did you see? I don't quite know what to make of it. Some people are saying the people singing are actors, and others are saying it's Alison and Jamie dressed up as each other. I honestly can't tell, but if it's the latter my head may explode from how inexplicably hot that is.
I agree, I think that with the tour atmosphere and everything it would be hard for them not to fall back into old habits. It's all very strange though - did you hear that Jack is apparently wearing his wedding ring again? Or wearing it on his left hand when he'd been wearing it on the right since the "divorce" or something? Sometimes I think he just does these things to mess with people.
I can't imagine Alison saying no to Jamie either. I can imagine her being apprehensive about the whole thing, but definitely not outright saying no. And then maybe exaggerating her apprehension to go along with his so as not to make herself appear too vulnerable, maybe. It is weird that, if Jamie's denial or refusal to see her that way started because she was so young, that it hasn't dissipated as they've grown older and the age difference has become far less significant. But I guess the denial has been repeatedly reinforced by other things, like the risk of ruining their chemistry etc.
Yeah, with Jack it's like...he would obviously have quite a bit of angst over his feelings for Alison, but he'd probably downplay that in front of Jamie out of a sense of competitiveness? Like saying he got her because he didn't get all caught up in his worries like Jamie, acting like it's no big deal etc. And UGH Jamie would just be so totally blindsided by the fact that it's so obvious to Jack, and I think he'd get really mad about that, because it's almost like Jack knows something about Jamie that even JAMIE doesn't know.
Why is it so easy to imagine that Jamie would kind of get off on Alison/Jack in a weird masochistic way? Like, he'd hate the fact that they were together, but because their relationship has parallels to his and Alison's, he'd be so curious about it at the same time. And sort of want to vicariously experience things. FOR EXAMPLE if he somehow ended up in a situation where he could watch them having sex (and they, or Alison at least, didn't know he was there - because I don't think she'd knowingly do that in front of him) I think he would find it exciting, even though he'd also be sort of tortured by it.
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I'm glad you liked the way I wrote it in my fic. I wanted to show that they were beginning to get back on the same wavelength, so I didn't want the kiss to be onesided in any way - like Alison kissing him and him being startled but gradually kissing her back, or anything like that. It needed to be like, they both wanted the same thing at that same moment. And Alison moving in for the kiss but hesitating, and then Jamie actually taking the leap - it seemed to work.
Oh my god, I totally understand the whole fic-expansion issue. That's how mine got so long! I just kept wanting to explore so many things. Hnnnng I'm SO in favour of young!Jamie/Alison interaction, you don't even know.
And any kind of Alison/Jack/Jamie shenanigans. Oh my god, the voyeurism thing, yes pleeease. Seeing them backstage together would work so well, because like - seeing the SHOW and them not knowing he's there would be a form of voyeurism in itself, especially if it's the first (or one of the first) he's been to and he's not sure what to make of the sexual tension. So he has like this dread/sinking feeling about what it might mean, and at the same time he can't take his eyes off them, and also it feels sort of like an out-of-body experience (like he said that one time). And then to actually have it all CONFIRMED backstage...SO MANY COMPLICATED FEELINGS.
Also: the Baby Says video - it IS them, isn't it? They're weirdly well-disguised and I think I sort of couldn't quite believe it, because it seemed too amazing to be true. I want some behind-the-scenes photos where we can see them clearly. Auugh and I just keep thinking of the two of them joking around pretending to be each other, and role reversals and roleplaying and hnnnng.